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Re: extreme bliss feeling without body awareness
Post by samsarictravelling » Sun Jun 23, 2019 5:03 am
confusedlayman wrote: ↑
Sun Jun 23, 2019 1:45 amAs the title says, what kind of state of meditation is that? any sutta reference? only bliss feeling is observed and body awareness is completly lost. first vauge bliss and body feeling (little thinking like intension), then bliss and body feeling (no thinking), then bliss alone with no body feeling (body invisible from perception but not in real 3d world), its the most amazing pleasure witnessed never seen anything but not addicting even 1%. again when want to return back, the body comes in to perception and bliss fades gradually and concentration is very fast i.e it moves front and back with 0% laziness.
what state name is this? I am following different method to get to this state but what is the name? thanks for reference pls reference me only sutta that can web link and attach URL.
-confusedlayman
Hi, But i experience intense (non human) bliss feeling but in your comment it says neither pleasure nor pain. in this experience i experience 100% pleasure feeling and 0% pain as no physical body awareness and no angry emotions.Maybe it's one of the first three jhanas (not the fourth jhana), or a moving through the 1st to the 2nd (to the 3rd)? I wouldn't know. I only attained once in my life a meditative state of peace without thought (possibly took me hours to get to it, can't remember). Only once. And that was when I was 19 or 20 years old. You're lucky, I guess!!! Here are the descriptions of the three jhanas:
Jhana is a meditative state of profound stillness and concentration in which the mind becomes fully immersed and absorbed in the chosen object of attention. It is the cornerstone in the development of Right Concentration.
The definition (with similes)
[FIRST JHANA]
"There is the case where a monk — quite withdrawn from sensuality, withdrawn from unskillful qualities — enters and remains in the first jhana: rapture and pleasure born from withdrawal, accompanied by directed thought and evaluation. He permeates and pervades, suffuses and fills this very body with the rapture and pleasure born from withdrawal. There is nothing of his entire body unpervaded by rapture and pleasure born from withdrawal.
"Just as if a skilled bathman or bathman's apprentice would pour bath powder into a brass basin and knead it together, sprinkling it again and again with water, so that his ball of bath powder — saturated, moisture-laden, permeated within and without — would nevertheless not drip; even so, the monk permeates, suffuses and fills this very body with the rapture and pleasure born of withdrawal. There is nothing of his entire body unpervaded by rapture and pleasure born from withdrawal...
[SECOND JHANA]
"Furthermore, with the stilling of directed thoughts & evaluations, he enters and remains in the second jhana: rapture and pleasure born of composure, unification of awareness free from directed thought and evaluation — internal assurance. He permeates and pervades, suffuses and fills this very body with the rapture and pleasure born of composure. There is nothing of his entire body unpervaded by rapture and pleasure born of composure.
"Just like a lake with spring-water welling up from within, having no inflow from east, west, north, or south, and with the skies periodically supplying abundant showers, so that the cool fount of water welling up from within the lake would permeate and pervade, suffuse and fill it with cool waters, there being no part of the lake unpervaded by the cool waters; even so, the monk permeates and pervades, suffuses and fills this very body with the rapture and pleasure born of composure. There is nothing of his entire body unpervaded by rapture and pleasure born of composure...
[THIRD JHANA]
"And furthermore, with the fading of rapture, he remains equanimous, mindful, & alert, and senses pleasure with the body. He enters & remains in the third jhana, of which the Noble Ones declare, 'Equanimous & mindful, he has a pleasant abiding.' He permeates and pervades, suffuses and fills this very body with the pleasure divested of rapture, so that there is nothing of his entire body unpervaded with pleasure divested of rapture.
"Just as in a blue-, white-, or red-lotus pond, there may be some of the blue, white, or red lotuses which, born and growing in the water, stay immersed in the water and flourish without standing up out of the water, so that they are permeated and pervaded, suffused and filled with cool water from their roots to their tips, and nothing of those blue, white, or red lotuses would be unpervaded with cool water; even so, the monk permeates and pervades, suffuses and fills this very body with the pleasure divested of rapture. There is nothing of his entire body unpervaded with pleasure divested of rapture...
Source: https://www.accesstoinsight.org/ptf/dha ... jhana.html
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samsarictravelling
EDIT:
I. The Immaterial World (arupa-loka)
The inhabitants of these realms are possessed entirely of mind. Having no physical body, they are unable to hear Dhamma teachings.
Source: The Thirty-one Planes of Existence. https://www.accesstoinsight.org/ptf/dha ... /loka.html
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CHAPTER X
THE IMMATERIAL STATES
(Áruppa-niddesa)
[(1) THE BASE CONSISTING OF BOUNDLESS SPACE]
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6. When he has seen the danger in that [fine-material fourth jhána] jhána in
this way and has ended his attachment to it, he gives his attention to the base
consisting of boundless space as peaceful.
Source: The Path of Purification (Visuddhimagga), Chapter 10. https://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/aut ... on2011.pdf
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So, 'Having no physical body' of my first selection, and 'peaceful' in my second selection. And elsewhere at this Dhamma Wheel message board you were talking about space kasina meditation ( viewtopic.php?f=22&t=34621 ). So read the Chapter X (Chapter 10) of Path of Purification and see if it helps you, as well as if it answers your question.
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samsarictravelling
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